04-23-2016, 01:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-23-2016, 04:15 AM by WeaponTheory.)
Let me rephrase and go into further detail, now that I got clear head.
It's clearly evident that the film's choice of roles/gender/ethnicity is influenced by certain demographic(s) and their issues in today's society. This is not the first time J.J tried to push something like this, in which his vision ended up failing. Really this isn't the first time a Star Wars film was influenced by a real life issue. So to merely say that this is just a coincidence, is bullshit. This is a film catering to a certain demographic that goes in a uproar every time they feel like they're being left out in all the cool medias. Guess which one? All this film was missing is a LBGT character. I'm sure people were mocking "The Force Awakens" when they said they want an Asian lead protagonist in future films, but I can't help to believe this had open some gates, and now look at the casting for "Rogue One". Sorry chief, but it is a PC/SJW/Feminist whatever-the-fuck people are calling it these days propaganda film. Pick one. And it worked, well, at least in terms of diversity casting for future Star Wars films.
I'm not mad that the lead protagonist is a woman, but disappointed how it's so heavily focused about the sole existence of a lead female character that they handled it poorly. She already has female class only plot-armor which means nothing severe is ever going to happen to her. They made her a Mary Sue, the worst kind of female protagonist. And to top it all off, her character development is lacking. And are we seriously supposed to accept that she acquired Jedi powers just because Jew Vader said some shit that TRIGGERED her?
She's perfect AND Jedi Training not required!? "How's that Star Wars female demographic chart lookin' b0ss?".
I don't mind a strong "I don't need no man" female lead character (if it's done right), but they couldn't put the effort of making the character work for it.
At this point, what can Luke Skywalker teach her that she can't master on her own within 30 seconds?
If they want to make a character this OP, then they could have saved face at the end by revealing the character to be some kind of Jedi sleeper agent slowly waking up but no, too busy adding that "A New Hope" v.2 plot in.
I feel like the story/writing suffered because of this. Come on, three writers and this is the best they can do? Borrow previous film plots as safety nets while a character conveniently inputs God mode? Great.
Deathstar V.2 gets destroyed the same fashion as vanilla and immediately R2-D2 awakens from it's sleep mode to reveal "you can end the movie now" map? How convenient.
Let's take it back a bit. Shields go down, chaos happens, no one bothers to turn that bitch back on? I watched the attack scene over and over and I can't grasp anything that remotely says "They destroyed our way of putting the Shield thingy back on, I guess we're fucked.". I know deep down in my heart that I missed something there, because there's no way...
Really? Kylo Ren didn't use his Force abilities at all during his lightsaber fights? I mean, would had been a great time to use it when Rey's bullshit Deus Ex Machina kicked in.
During said lightsaber battles. Finn catches a lightsaber to the shoulder and gets K.O. with a slash to the back (i c wut u did thar).
Kylo Ren gets hit three times by Rey's lightsaber plus a kick.
Rey? Untouched during her lightsaber battle.
In the past Episode films, when the noobs encountered their first lightsaber boss battle, they got rekt. Ren? Level II female plot-armor, only with the Mary Sue DLC.
Totally not a propaganda film of any sort. Not. At. All.
Kylo Ren....trained by Luke Skywalker? OmG.
Killed Luke Skywalker's students? THE MAD MAN!
Up and coming Sith Lord? Ooooo snap!
Only to see him overall act like a whiny brat. And having him remove his helmet was a mistake because I stopped taking the character serious after seeing homeboy's face. They could've at least gave my man some make-up, jeeze. Oh well, at least he has a battle scar now.
I don't mind original casting diversity but everyone knows that adding a token black guy sidekick is tryhard-tier. But at least the actor, the character and his story totally makes up for it. Finn, to me, is the only solid story to come out of this, subliminal "race traitor" message and all. I just would had like to see him go through a few more terrifying battle experiences before eventually calling it quits.
One last thing to add. You know J.J. had a huge boner building up that whole Hitler speech scene, just for them to all meet their demise.
(04-20-2016, 08:43 AM)Ghenry Wrote: ^What you're describing as it being a "PC/SJW" movie is just plot-armor. That's typical for action movies, including the previous Star Wars films. You think they wrote the movie like that because they were being portrayed by minorities? No, they wrote the movie like that because it's fucking Star Wars.
lmao are you really that peeved that the protags aren't white dudes? Chill out, man.
It's clearly evident that the film's choice of roles/gender/ethnicity is influenced by certain demographic(s) and their issues in today's society. This is not the first time J.J tried to push something like this, in which his vision ended up failing. Really this isn't the first time a Star Wars film was influenced by a real life issue. So to merely say that this is just a coincidence, is bullshit. This is a film catering to a certain demographic that goes in a uproar every time they feel like they're being left out in all the cool medias. Guess which one? All this film was missing is a LBGT character. I'm sure people were mocking "The Force Awakens" when they said they want an Asian lead protagonist in future films, but I can't help to believe this had open some gates, and now look at the casting for "Rogue One". Sorry chief, but it is a PC/SJW/Feminist whatever-the-fuck people are calling it these days propaganda film. Pick one. And it worked, well, at least in terms of diversity casting for future Star Wars films.
I'm not mad that the lead protagonist is a woman, but disappointed how it's so heavily focused about the sole existence of a lead female character that they handled it poorly. She already has female class only plot-armor which means nothing severe is ever going to happen to her. They made her a Mary Sue, the worst kind of female protagonist. And to top it all off, her character development is lacking. And are we seriously supposed to accept that she acquired Jedi powers just because Jew Vader said some shit that TRIGGERED her?
She's perfect AND Jedi Training not required!? "How's that Star Wars female demographic chart lookin' b0ss?".
I don't mind a strong "I don't need no man" female lead character (if it's done right), but they couldn't put the effort of making the character work for it.
At this point, what can Luke Skywalker teach her that she can't master on her own within 30 seconds?
If they want to make a character this OP, then they could have saved face at the end by revealing the character to be some kind of Jedi sleeper agent slowly waking up but no, too busy adding that "A New Hope" v.2 plot in.
I feel like the story/writing suffered because of this. Come on, three writers and this is the best they can do? Borrow previous film plots as safety nets while a character conveniently inputs God mode? Great.
Deathstar V.2 gets destroyed the same fashion as vanilla and immediately R2-D2 awakens from it's sleep mode to reveal "you can end the movie now" map? How convenient.
Let's take it back a bit. Shields go down, chaos happens, no one bothers to turn that bitch back on? I watched the attack scene over and over and I can't grasp anything that remotely says "They destroyed our way of putting the Shield thingy back on, I guess we're fucked.". I know deep down in my heart that I missed something there, because there's no way...
Really? Kylo Ren didn't use his Force abilities at all during his lightsaber fights? I mean, would had been a great time to use it when Rey's bullshit Deus Ex Machina kicked in.
During said lightsaber battles. Finn catches a lightsaber to the shoulder and gets K.O. with a slash to the back (i c wut u did thar).
Kylo Ren gets hit three times by Rey's lightsaber plus a kick.
Rey? Untouched during her lightsaber battle.
In the past Episode films, when the noobs encountered their first lightsaber boss battle, they got rekt. Ren? Level II female plot-armor, only with the Mary Sue DLC.
Totally not a propaganda film of any sort. Not. At. All.
Kylo Ren....trained by Luke Skywalker? OmG.
Killed Luke Skywalker's students? THE MAD MAN!
Up and coming Sith Lord? Ooooo snap!
Only to see him overall act like a whiny brat. And having him remove his helmet was a mistake because I stopped taking the character serious after seeing homeboy's face. They could've at least gave my man some make-up, jeeze. Oh well, at least he has a battle scar now.
I don't mind original casting diversity but everyone knows that adding a token black guy sidekick is tryhard-tier. But at least the actor, the character and his story totally makes up for it. Finn, to me, is the only solid story to come out of this, subliminal "race traitor" message and all. I just would had like to see him go through a few more terrifying battle experiences before eventually calling it quits.
One last thing to add. You know J.J. had a huge boner building up that whole Hitler speech scene, just for them to all meet their demise.
"Who am I to tell you something that you already know?
Who am I to tell you 'Hold on' when you wanna let go?
Who am I? I'm just a sicko with a song in my head and it keeps playing again and again and again and again."
https://youtu.be/bdJ7xe70ck0