02-22-2016, 07:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2016, 07:45 PM by manofonetitle.)
(02-22-2016, 06:33 PM)CNS Wrote: Your refresher on the issue is what Gamergate ostensibly wants you to believe. It's call for ethics in games journalism is a front for blatant misogyny and is a blowback to the notion that the core demographic for video games is changing. They conveniently start it all with the same person: Zoe Quinn. Not to mention the unilateral distrust of Kotaku, where the journalist Quinn slept with, Nathan Grayson, writes articles for. The simple fact that no Gamergater cares to acknowledge is this: their interaction didn't exist. While it's true they started a relationship, it was well after Quinn's game had been released, a game Kotaku never reviewed or made articles about. This entitlement movement was started by Quinn's spurned ex-boyfriend, who decided to ruin her life after the breakup. A decision, by the way, he has no regrets over.
And if you really want a great idea of how their crusade operated, look no further than the Shadow of Mordor controversy, where Warner Bros. gave certain sites access to the finished product early so said sites could get more traffic for their early reviews. The flip side of that was they were not permitted to be too critical of the game and not to mention or show any of the potentially game breaking glitches it might have. This became a big story on all the major gaming sites when it the truth came out, but the Gamergaters were far too busy harassing Quinn and other women with rounds of doxxing and death threats. Hell, the one guy who could conceivably be behind the movement if its intentions were pure, Jeff Gerstmann, was vocally opposed to it.
I'm glad you don't support it and all, but the discussion has already played itself out. Gamergate is essentially a hate group and the people who started it are vile scumbags that need to mature and think before they speak.
You know, I don't really disagree with you about the hate group thing, because at this point it does feel like gamergate got hijacked by immature misogynists, because for the past, i dunno, six months I've done a search on the hashtag, all the comments from people supporting it are just hateful. When I started looking into it over a year ago, it seemed like there was more of a middle ground with a considerable amount of women supporting it, but then there were the people who kept using the gamergate hashtag to harass people, so the whole thing became fucked up. I don't think it started out as a hate group, but it feels like a bunch of hateful people on the interwebs joined the bandwagon specifically to fuck with people and now it's name is tarnished.
It's kind of a weird issue because it's one of those topics that is impossible to get into without having some kind of bias. On one hand, I see people who claim to be pro-gamergate act like complete dicks to people to the point where it's scary, and on the other hand I see people who are anti-gamergate do the exact same thing to people who aren't anti-gamergate.
(02-22-2016, 05:54 PM)Shervik Wrote:(02-22-2016, 04:42 PM)manofonetitle Wrote: Not at all. I've personally met several female game developers in the past and according to them, while the industry isn't largely composed of them, they still have just as good a chance as anyone to get hired as long as the work in their portfolio is good.
then why would they need money?
because who doesn't want more money?